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Adult Trans women are adult human females

tonidorsay:

radfemale:

tonidorsay:

radfemale:

No. Stop giving false information.

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I haven’t given false information.

That would be you, thinking that a generalization (which all first dictionary definitions are in reference to this topic) and a specific aspect opf spcially constructed truth is going to be…

The definition is biological, factual and scientific. What makes you think that you’re more truthful and right than science?

Your arrogance and self-entitlement comes straight from male socialisation. Socialisation matters.

Trans women are not biologically female and by the meaning of the word, can never replicate femaleness. Denying this denies sex-based oppression, which wouldn’t surprise me if you did anyway.

The definition cited is based on common usage in mass media, not biology, and is not factual, nor scientific.

Like all dictionary definitions for colloquial terms.

So, to start with, you lied through your teeth — and doing so out of ignorance and incompetence does not excuse that it is still a lie on your part.

It is, in fact, a appeal to popularity, a form of logical fallacy, on your part.  And that, child, is just to start.

Then you ask me what makes me more right and truthful than science, using a lie to support your argument that I am not, while also derailing the argument using two additional logical fallacies.

In answer: I am not more right,. I just know more about it than you do, and do not lie about sources or their basis.

My arrogance has nothing to do with the mythical idea of “male socialization”. In addition, you have no evidence to support that statement, and as I was not male socialized (though some tried to man me up, including through all manner of interesting things like forced testosterone shots prior to puberty), your assertion is false and unprovable for you.

Socialization does matter — indeed, your statement that I am arrogant and entitled and that such are derived from male socialization is something you have been socialized to think — yet you aren’t arguing against it.  Hmmm.

wonder why that is.

perhaps it doesn’t’ matter as much as you think. INdeed, if you were a little less thick in the skull and possessed more knowledge on the subject, you might be aware of this — even though you pointedly ignore things like the what is series, one of which covers socialization.

  1. Transphobia
  2. Privilege
  3. Stigma
  4. Violence against trans people
  5. Identity
  6. Identity politics
  7. Gender Identity
  8. Genderism/Genderist
  9. Socialization
  10. The problems with Gender abolition
  11. Sexual Identity
  12. Key facts about trans people
  13. What feels like a woman means
  14. microaggressions
  15. Gender Roles
  16. Gender Roles in relation to TERF ideology
  17. Agency
  18. Social constructs
  19. Reasonable Conversations

Your closing paragraph is worthy of reposting:

Trans women are not biologically female and by the meaning of the word, can never replicate femaleness. Denying this denies sex-based oppression, which wouldn’t surprise me if you did anyway.

Let’s take some time to unpack it since so much is wrong with that.

"Biologically female" is a meaningless term intended to say that they essentially cannot bear children, something that has no real bearing on anything and is meant to appeal to the culturally inherent transphobia already present.

By saying they are not, you are, de facto, aruging from an essentialist position, which is outside the realm of feminism and decidedly in opposition to existentialist understanding of the world and sceince itself — it is an anti-intellectual and ignorant statement meant to assert an unprovable hypothesis: that trans women are not women by arguing from outside the confines of the scientific understanding while pretending to use it.

WHen every major medical and sceintific organization int he world today says tha trans women are women, your contention has neitherthe merit nor the weight, and you know this, butinstead are railing against hte very sceince you pretend to hide beyhind.

In addition, it doesn’t matter if trans women are “biologically” something or not — the existence of transpeople is an existential structure, and so you are literally arguing essentialism (essence prcedes existence) against existence (existence precedes essence) so you aren’t even speaking in the same realm and therefore fundamentally operating in bad faith and out of an unreasonmable and illogical framework that is also known to be the basis by which oppression operates.

So you are arguing from a position of oppression as a good thing, and pretending that it isn’t.

Which is pretty pathetic on your part.

Then you say by the meaning of the word…

The meaning of the word woman, incidentally, is adult human female. Trans women are women, Therefore, they are adult human females.  IT is inescapable.

Next you say they can never “replicate femaleness” and yet what is it you are refrring to in that statement?  THe above definition? That’s speaking generally, not specifically, and so if you are then you genuinely are saying that no postmeopausal woman is a woman, that no infertile woman is a woman, and so forth and so on, and that just keeps getting larger and larger and proves that you are a misogynist more than someone defending anything, as only a misogynist is going to reduce women’s femaleness to just the ability or presumed ability to produce eggs.

But even then, it fails.

Of or denoting — meaning referring to people who do or who are presumed to do so, and that does apply to trans women, as more than a few who are bloated can testify (including myself, on the many occasions when I have had people place their hands on my distended belly and ask me when I am due or how far along I am).

As people who see me and are unaware can attest — I am denoted to have that ability, so actually, your own definition and your own evidence does in fact say that trans women are women.

IN the same way that it also says the same thing about others.

That’s the problem with a dictionary as your basis, child.

THen you say denying this denies sex based oppression.

Oppression is a social structure, child.  SOcial sex based oppression happens — and you know what the shorthand for social sex based oppression is?

Gender based oppression.

Because “biological sex” is not a social system — it is, as you pointedly like to fling in your defense, a part of biology, which is not a social science. 

In the social sciences — which is where oppression exists, and so if you are going to argue in that arena, be sure to use social science concepts — that kind of oppression is called gender based oppression, and in the act of oppressing trans people, you are furthering that very act, not resisting or opposing it.

Conflating the two is pretty fucked up and ignorant of the important aspects that distinguish social sex (which is synonymous with gender) from physical sex because in the social sciences — of which I am a scientist, I will remind you — we recognize that such is presumed, as people do not actually know what is going on inside other people’s bodies,and that presumption is what we function on.  

That’s part of where that socialization you talk about came into play, and why you should really try and figure out a bit more about it before you decide to start lying through your teeth once more.

BEcause in this long rant you will not read, I just used your own evidence to prove that trtans women are, in fact, by your own measure, women, that you do not understand what you are talking about, that you are bas at this, that you lied, that you are fundamentally dishonest in the topic, and that you lack morality or ethics in your actions when it comes to this topic.

So whilst you are stomping your foot and saying no, they are not! like a spoiled 6 year old, I will be tsking away and laugh laughing at you for making a fool of yourself.

lizclimo:

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scifigrl47:

gingerjuju:

I just don’t understand where this concept of ‘fake geek girls’ came from. Like, AT ALL.

Cus when I look for fandom related stuff like 90% of the fan art and the fanfiction and the meta, zines, comics, etc. Like 90% of the shit that I’ve seen is created by…

fullcravings:

Brown Butter Butter Churro Fries with 3 Minute Salted Brown Butter Caramel

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scifigrl47:

gingerjuju:

I just don’t understand where this concept of ‘fake geek girls’ came from. Like, AT ALL.

Cus when I look for fandom related stuff like 90% of the fan art and the fanfiction and the meta, zines, comics, etc. Like 90% of the shit that I’ve seen is created by…

darvinasafo:

#Ferguson #Mike Brown

aspiringbabygirl:

miki-quinn:

plus sized models are JUST as unrealistic as skinny models.

They have been elongated, their cellulite has been brushed out, waists pinched and hips widened and rounded.

It makes us think “I’m not even plus sized pretty” when NO-ONE IS.

They aren’t being forward thinking.

They aren’t embracing body positivity

They’ve just creating another unrealistic standard for women to hate themselves for.

so true.